1 00:00:14,350 --> 00:00:12,070 on this episode of skeptic Oh Alex talks 2 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:14,360 with dr. Julia Asante about her new book 3 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:17,690 The Last Frontier let's face it we love 4 00:00:22,780 --> 00:00:20,690 this materialism that were wrapped up 5 00:00:24,940 --> 00:00:22,790 into we love our computers we love our 6 00:00:27,190 --> 00:00:24,950 internet our Google or Skype and no 7 00:00:30,279 --> 00:00:27,200 matter how you cut it we're just at the 8 00:00:33,610 --> 00:00:30,289 beginning of this technology change so 9 00:00:36,970 --> 00:00:33,620 whether we wind up merging with the 10 00:00:41,590 --> 00:00:36,980 machine as Kurzweil predicts it's hard 11 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:41,600 to deny this trajectory of technology I 12 00:00:46,660 --> 00:00:44,449 think we should really enjoy being in 13 00:00:51,210 --> 00:00:46,670 physical life and I think our technology 14 00:00:53,860 --> 00:00:51,220 is in fact the chief art of our era and 15 00:00:56,649 --> 00:00:53,870 technology is also what is training us 16 00:00:58,660 --> 00:00:56,659 to think outside of the box to think in 17 00:01:01,770 --> 00:00:58,670 terms of interdimensional 'ti and to 18 00:01:04,090 --> 00:01:01,780 think in terms of communicating with 19 00:01:07,300 --> 00:01:04,100 consciousness in other dimensions I 20 00:01:10,899 --> 00:01:07,310 think that our use of electronics and 21 00:01:13,300 --> 00:01:10,909 digital systems are causing us to become 22 00:01:15,639 --> 00:01:13,310 more sensitive to subtler and subtler 23 00:01:18,910 --> 00:01:15,649 electrical impulses so I think 24 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:18,920 technology is not at variance or in 25 00:01:24,279 --> 00:01:21,530 conflict with the so-called spiritual 26 00:01:25,270 --> 00:01:24,289 but is working with it as an analogy out 27 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:25,280 of the training ground 28 00:01:41,930 --> 00:01:40,280 welcome to skeptic Oh where we explore 29 00:01:44,330 --> 00:01:41,940 controversial science with leading 30 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:44,340 researchers thinkers and their critics 31 00:01:48,620 --> 00:01:46,290 I'm your host Alex a garrison on this 32 00:01:52,100 --> 00:01:48,630 episode of skeptic Oh an interesting 33 00:01:54,649 --> 00:01:52,110 interview with dr. Julia Asante who has 34 00:01:57,980 --> 00:01:54,659 some fascinating and fresh perspectives 35 00:02:00,710 --> 00:01:57,990 on consciousness death and psychic 36 00:02:03,260 --> 00:02:00,720 medium-- communication with the deceased 37 00:02:07,249 --> 00:02:03,270 so I hope you enjoy this dialogue with 38 00:02:10,279 --> 00:02:07,259 dr. Julia Asante today we welcome dr. 39 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:10,289 Julia Asante a skeptic Oh to discuss her 40 00:02:15,830 --> 00:02:13,110 new book the last frontier exploring the 41 00:02:18,979 --> 00:02:15,840 afterlife and transforming our fear of 42 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:18,989 death dr. Asante is an Ivy League 43 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:21,769 scholar in ancient Near East Studies and 44 00:02:26,660 --> 00:02:23,489 here's where things get really 45 00:02:29,210 --> 00:02:26,670 interesting a long time practicing 46 00:02:32,630 --> 00:02:29,220 psychic medium who even while pursuing 47 00:02:33,140 --> 00:02:32,640 her PhD at Columbia was talking to the 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:33,150 dead 49 00:02:38,540 --> 00:02:36,450 so dr. Asante welcome thanks so much for 50 00:02:40,250 --> 00:02:38,550 joining me today on skeptic oh well 51 00:02:42,530 --> 00:02:40,260 thank you for inviting me it's a great 52 00:02:46,250 --> 00:02:42,540 pleasure well your book has received 53 00:02:49,100 --> 00:02:46,260 very high praise from the likes of dr. 54 00:02:52,069 --> 00:02:49,110 Dean Radin dr. Larry Dossey who also 55 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:52,079 wrote the introduction and other notable 56 00:02:58,729 --> 00:02:55,170 so first of all congratulations on this 57 00:03:01,009 --> 00:02:58,739 fine book well I'm really honored to 58 00:03:04,100 --> 00:03:01,019 have these people and even Deepak Chopra 59 00:03:06,770 --> 00:03:04,110 who whose endorsements are very 60 00:03:10,009 --> 00:03:06,780 restricted he's only allowed to do 17 61 00:03:13,729 --> 00:03:10,019 years so I'm very privileged fantastic 62 00:03:17,930 --> 00:03:13,739 well let's jump into the book from your 63 00:03:20,509 --> 00:03:17,940 website Julia Asante calm you write just 64 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:20,519 as trillions are spent fighting aging 65 00:03:26,090 --> 00:03:23,250 and death ten trillion has already been 66 00:03:29,509 --> 00:03:26,100 spent making atomic bombs to inflict 67 00:03:30,199 --> 00:03:29,519 death on someone else this seems right 68 00:03:32,750 --> 00:03:30,209 to us 69 00:03:36,740 --> 00:03:32,760 and here's what I love because we view 70 00:03:39,460 --> 00:03:36,750 death as life's greatest failure and we 71 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:39,470 view life no matter how devalued as 72 00:03:46,569 --> 00:03:42,329 superior to death talk a little bit 73 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:46,579 about that you know the we we are in a 74 00:03:54,420 --> 00:03:51,570 grip in society of the fear of death 75 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:54,430 partly it's the fault of the news and 76 00:04:00,030 --> 00:03:56,530 entertainment industry certainly medical 77 00:04:02,460 --> 00:04:00,040 industries even government anything you 78 00:04:04,950 --> 00:04:02,470 can really name any institution even 79 00:04:08,370 --> 00:04:04,960 even the way we we teach what humanity 80 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:08,380 is supports the it supports the fear of 81 00:04:17,130 --> 00:04:13,090 death and so we have these these ideas 82 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:17,140 that that's the one thing we most want 83 00:04:21,509 --> 00:04:19,090 to avoid in life rather than it being a 84 00:04:23,910 --> 00:04:21,519 natural cycle rather being something 85 00:04:27,210 --> 00:04:23,920 that you could embrace like other 86 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:27,220 creatures on this planet that furthers 87 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:31,210 the growth of the psyche we will fight 88 00:04:36,060 --> 00:04:33,070 that growth we will fight it to the 89 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:36,070 teeth in the all the expressions of he 90 00:04:42,690 --> 00:04:40,450 fought cancer and you know long battle 91 00:04:45,540 --> 00:04:42,700 against cancer all this kind of stuff as 92 00:04:47,610 --> 00:04:45,550 an enemy or as a pathology and you do a 93 00:04:49,740 --> 00:04:47,620 nice job in the book of kind of putting 94 00:04:52,380 --> 00:04:49,750 this cultural schizophrenia that we have 95 00:04:54,390 --> 00:04:52,390 you put it in kind of a larger context 96 00:04:56,670 --> 00:04:54,400 both within the context of other 97 00:04:59,280 --> 00:04:56,680 cultures and with it within the context 98 00:05:02,310 --> 00:04:59,290 of our time talk a little bit about why 99 00:05:05,130 --> 00:05:02,320 we have this sense of schizophrenia 100 00:05:07,290 --> 00:05:05,140 about this and why we have it now well I 101 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:07,300 spent a lot of time describing the 102 00:05:12,750 --> 00:05:09,490 schizophrenia in that we don't talk 103 00:05:14,580 --> 00:05:12,760 about death at home we don't talk about 104 00:05:16,650 --> 00:05:14,590 death stupid dying it suppose we too 105 00:05:19,620 --> 00:05:16,660 stressful for them and we used to used 106 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:19,630 to do more of that right yeah and it 107 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:21,610 right on the other hand we're obsessed 108 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:24,370 with it in again news and entertainment 109 00:05:28,860 --> 00:05:26,770 industry even advertisements here in 110 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:28,870 America in which we were always being 111 00:05:31,909 --> 00:05:30,340 told you're going to get such-and-such a 112 00:05:36,150 --> 00:05:31,919 disease 113 00:05:37,860 --> 00:05:36,160 the Friday is a time bomb or you know 114 00:05:40,170 --> 00:05:37,870 the Mayan calendar that the whole 115 00:05:42,750 --> 00:05:40,180 world's going to be wiped out in 1212 116 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:42,760 hey we're always looking for it and 117 00:05:49,140 --> 00:05:45,970 we're always describing to ourselves an 118 00:05:51,450 --> 00:05:49,150 unsafe world and unsafe universe in 119 00:05:55,230 --> 00:05:51,460 which death gets you in the end now that 120 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:55,240 has strong judeo-christian roots as well 121 00:05:59,250 --> 00:05:57,490 because definitely a story of creation 122 00:06:01,890 --> 00:05:59,260 is a punishment it's not part of a 123 00:06:04,140 --> 00:06:01,900 natural cycle and in that context when 124 00:06:06,690 --> 00:06:04,150 you die you don't 125 00:06:10,010 --> 00:06:06,700 reunite with a divine you're gone it's 126 00:06:13,590 --> 00:06:10,020 over with and that was the official 127 00:06:16,350 --> 00:06:13,600 early Judaic view was that there was no 128 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:16,360 afterlife then apocalypticism came along 129 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:17,890 and you went to sleep until you're 130 00:06:24,780 --> 00:06:20,290 resurrected in the body and at the end 131 00:06:26,610 --> 00:06:24,790 of days you end up with the greatest 132 00:06:28,710 --> 00:06:26,620 triumph of all and that's conquering 133 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:28,720 death itself so you get to stay alive in 134 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:30,810 your body on earth in the New Jerusalem 135 00:06:38,460 --> 00:06:34,210 so all of these things are expressed a 136 00:06:40,710 --> 00:06:38,470 deep and abiding denial of death but but 137 00:06:42,570 --> 00:06:40,720 it isn't quite that cut-and-dried is it 138 00:06:45,450 --> 00:06:42,580 because as again you point out in the 139 00:06:48,810 --> 00:06:45,460 book any popular survey will tell you 140 00:06:51,930 --> 00:06:48,820 that a wide majority of Americans 141 00:06:53,910 --> 00:06:51,940 believe in the afterlife believe in 142 00:06:56,370 --> 00:06:53,920 heaven and usually they don't have quite 143 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:56,380 that kind of bleak view of it and and 144 00:06:58,920 --> 00:06:57,730 you know that that brings up kind of an 145 00:07:03,180 --> 00:06:58,930 interesting point because one of the 146 00:07:05,730 --> 00:07:03,190 things I hear from skeptics atheist 147 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:05,740 types who when you really push them and 148 00:07:10,590 --> 00:07:08,650 make them say uncle on the survival 149 00:07:13,050 --> 00:07:10,600 issue with all the evidence pointing in 150 00:07:14,220 --> 00:07:13,060 that direction they say hey what are you 151 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:14,230 really advocating here 152 00:07:19,140 --> 00:07:16,930 most folks already believe in heaven 153 00:07:22,140 --> 00:07:19,150 what's the big change that you're 154 00:07:24,300 --> 00:07:22,150 talking about with this idea of survival 155 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:24,310 of consciousness or understanding that 156 00:07:29,010 --> 00:07:27,310 this life isn't what it's all about how 157 00:07:33,210 --> 00:07:29,020 do you respond to that don't most people 158 00:07:35,940 --> 00:07:33,220 already have an idea of a deep-seated 159 00:07:39,660 --> 00:07:35,950 belief that there is more to this life 160 00:07:41,610 --> 00:07:39,670 yes that is true I don't like the 161 00:07:43,710 --> 00:07:41,620 dichotomy heaven hell thing so when you 162 00:07:48,390 --> 00:07:43,720 say heaven you automatically think hell 163 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:48,400 so I try to avoid that word but that's 164 00:07:51,810 --> 00:07:50,050 absolutely true on the other hand was 165 00:07:54,470 --> 00:07:51,820 still afraid so afraid of death and we 166 00:07:56,940 --> 00:07:54,480 still fight it in other words that the 167 00:07:59,540 --> 00:07:56,950 belief system the intuitive belief 168 00:08:01,800 --> 00:07:59,550 system of knowing that somehow 169 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:01,810 consciousness survives which is what 170 00:08:07,290 --> 00:08:04,090 you're referring to and the way our 171 00:08:09,060 --> 00:08:07,300 society is run are in conflict there's 172 00:08:13,170 --> 00:08:09,070 no question about that 173 00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:13,180 we are our industries and for instance 174 00:08:17,879 --> 00:08:16,110 the health and beauty anti-aging 175 00:08:20,129 --> 00:08:17,889 industries are all gear 176 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:20,139 towards stopping that moment or delaying 177 00:08:27,510 --> 00:08:22,449 that moment of transition as long as 178 00:08:29,550 --> 00:08:27,520 possible if we really allowed our 179 00:08:32,579 --> 00:08:29,560 intuitive beliefs of survival of 180 00:08:34,050 --> 00:08:32,589 consciousness to come into our society a 181 00:08:36,659 --> 00:08:34,060 lot of this would change what we don't 182 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:36,669 we keep them compartmentalized we keep 183 00:08:42,839 --> 00:08:39,130 one in what I would call the zone of the 184 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:42,849 imagination we think we believe in it 185 00:08:45,630 --> 00:08:45,010 but we really don't invest anything in 186 00:08:49,110 --> 00:08:45,640 it we won't 187 00:08:51,810 --> 00:08:49,120 Princeton's try to make communicate with 188 00:08:54,949 --> 00:08:51,820 those who are already in that non-local 189 00:08:56,970 --> 00:08:54,959 reality of non-physical dimensions and 190 00:08:59,400 --> 00:08:56,980 that is also part of the schizophrenia 191 00:09:02,759 --> 00:08:59,410 and I'm glad you brought it up well you 192 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:02,769 know I have to say even as I bring it up 193 00:09:07,620 --> 00:09:06,310 I'm somewhat conflicted myself you know 194 00:09:11,009 --> 00:09:07,630 just the other day i was listening to 195 00:09:15,060 --> 00:09:11,019 Ray Kurzweil who has a new book out how 196 00:09:18,930 --> 00:09:15,070 to create a mind and I was struck by how 197 00:09:22,490 --> 00:09:18,940 absolutely convincing he sounds on one 198 00:09:25,530 --> 00:09:22,500 level I mean let's face it we love this 199 00:09:27,449 --> 00:09:25,540 materialism that were wrapped up into we 200 00:09:29,310 --> 00:09:27,459 love our computers we love our internet 201 00:09:33,090 --> 00:09:29,320 or Google or Skype which I'm talking 202 00:09:35,670 --> 00:09:33,100 with you today and our YouTube and also 203 00:09:38,759 --> 00:09:35,680 as he points out hey we are we're living 204 00:09:42,990 --> 00:09:38,769 longer we're living better there's less 205 00:09:45,449 --> 00:09:43,000 violence on a global scale and no matter 206 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:45,459 how you cut it you know we're just at 207 00:09:51,810 --> 00:09:48,310 the beginning of this technology change 208 00:09:54,689 --> 00:09:51,820 so whether we wind up you know merging 209 00:09:57,630 --> 00:09:54,699 with the machine as Kurzweil predicts 210 00:10:00,540 --> 00:09:57,640 and with with with these farm to body 211 00:10:04,430 --> 00:10:00,550 parts and and better robots you know 212 00:10:09,810 --> 00:10:04,440 it's hard to deny this trajectory of 213 00:10:13,620 --> 00:10:09,820 technology so I know that I survive but 214 00:10:16,470 --> 00:10:13,630 I'm constantly reminded that there's 215 00:10:19,470 --> 00:10:16,480 this other element that is very much in 216 00:10:22,470 --> 00:10:19,480 this materialism stuff I've created 217 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:22,480 technology camp that kind of pulls me in 218 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:25,290 the other direction do you sense that I 219 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:28,000 have a lot to say about that I I think 220 00:10:34,110 --> 00:10:31,810 we should really enjoy being 221 00:10:37,290 --> 00:10:34,120 being in physical life and I think our 222 00:10:40,890 --> 00:10:37,300 technology is in fact the chief art of 223 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:40,900 our era and technology is also what is 224 00:10:46,019 --> 00:10:44,110 training us to think outside of the box 225 00:10:48,690 --> 00:10:46,029 to think in terms of interdimensional 226 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:48,700 'ti and to think in terms of 227 00:10:53,430 --> 00:10:51,490 communicating with consciousness in 228 00:10:57,030 --> 00:10:53,440 other dimensions if you think just as a 229 00:10:59,130 --> 00:10:57,040 telephone that was an astounding into 230 00:11:01,769 --> 00:10:59,140 the invention that when it was presented 231 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:01,779 in in in Philadelphia by Alexander 232 00:11:07,290 --> 00:11:04,690 Graham Bell he uses soliloquy how most 233 00:11:10,470 --> 00:11:07,300 soliloquy you know talking to the skull 234 00:11:13,110 --> 00:11:10,480 of all things to demonstrate the phone 235 00:11:16,019 --> 00:11:13,120 in public that people were were nervous 236 00:11:18,810 --> 00:11:16,029 and frightened they thought he was 237 00:11:22,230 --> 00:11:18,820 conjuring ghosts so that kind of 238 00:11:26,190 --> 00:11:22,240 technology alone allows our paradigms to 239 00:11:28,230 --> 00:11:26,200 open and include discarnates Invisibles 240 00:11:30,570 --> 00:11:28,240 at crossing distances all that kind of 241 00:11:33,090 --> 00:11:30,580 thing the Internet is even doing more 242 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:33,100 with the idea of cyberspace and collapse 243 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:36,850 space but fundamentally I think since 244 00:11:41,490 --> 00:11:39,010 all perception is ultimately electrical 245 00:11:43,380 --> 00:11:41,500 all perception whether excited 246 00:11:46,290 --> 00:11:43,390 perception or physical perception it 247 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:46,300 ultra Li ultimately relies on electrical 248 00:11:51,770 --> 00:11:48,370 impulses that translated into something 249 00:11:55,530 --> 00:11:51,780 in the brain I think that our use of 250 00:11:58,710 --> 00:11:55,540 electronics and digital systems are 251 00:12:00,840 --> 00:11:58,720 causing us to become more sensitive to 252 00:12:04,530 --> 00:12:00,850 subtler and subtler electrical impulses 253 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:04,540 so I think technology is not at variance 254 00:12:09,750 --> 00:12:06,730 or in conflict with a so-called 255 00:12:12,150 --> 00:12:09,760 spiritual but is working with it as an 256 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:12,160 analogy and as a training ground you 257 00:12:15,350 --> 00:12:13,690 don't know that's quite controversial 258 00:12:19,290 --> 00:12:15,360 isn't it because there's a lot of 259 00:12:21,780 --> 00:12:19,300 mystics and other progressive New Age 260 00:12:24,410 --> 00:12:21,790 thinkers that would kind of postulate 261 00:12:26,699 --> 00:12:24,420 just the opposite and that more 262 00:12:28,940 --> 00:12:26,709 primitive I hate to say that word but 263 00:12:33,210 --> 00:12:28,950 kind of less culturally indoctrinated 264 00:12:35,370 --> 00:12:33,220 people are more sensitive to these kind 265 00:12:37,530 --> 00:12:35,380 of communications and they're you know 266 00:12:40,230 --> 00:12:37,540 part and parcel of their culture so we 267 00:12:43,170 --> 00:12:40,240 can go down to we can go drink ayahuasca 268 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:43,180 with people in the Amazon basin and 269 00:12:48,990 --> 00:12:45,250 they're constantly in contact 270 00:12:51,180 --> 00:12:49,000 this spirit world it's it's it's a woven 271 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:51,190 into their society in a way that we 272 00:12:55,740 --> 00:12:53,530 can't even understand so how do we 273 00:12:59,490 --> 00:12:55,750 square those two it makes sense for us 274 00:13:02,100 --> 00:12:59,500 to do it via technology no that's the 275 00:13:05,580 --> 00:13:02,110 route we're taking in the modern West we 276 00:13:07,530 --> 00:13:05,590 are certainly a materials culture but we 277 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:07,540 have a lot of science that tells you 278 00:13:12,450 --> 00:13:10,690 that it's if we took all the space out 279 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:12,460 of the atoms in your body you would be 280 00:13:18,510 --> 00:13:15,070 reduced to amount of matter that is a 281 00:13:20,970 --> 00:13:18,520 very small microscopic dot so we know 282 00:13:23,700 --> 00:13:20,980 that there's even noise now in 283 00:13:26,580 --> 00:13:23,710 scientific communities that space as 284 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:26,590 well as time may just be perceptual 285 00:13:32,340 --> 00:13:30,490 tricks they may not exist so we are 286 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:32,350 getting there but we're doing it in our 287 00:13:37,980 --> 00:13:35,650 own clumsy way and it's going to have to 288 00:13:39,450 --> 00:13:37,990 have a scientific support because that's 289 00:13:41,610 --> 00:13:39,460 the culture that we live in 290 00:13:44,070 --> 00:13:41,620 still it's happening I'm having a 291 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:44,080 hundred percent success rate getting 292 00:13:47,940 --> 00:13:46,090 people to do their own mediumship with 293 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:47,950 those Department they love now that 294 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:49,330 would not have happened even 20 years 295 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:54,010 ago so yeah and it's amazing how people 296 00:13:59,820 --> 00:13:55,930 are just popping out you give them a 297 00:14:01,590 --> 00:13:59,830 permission to do psychic work or after 298 00:14:03,510 --> 00:14:01,600 just communication or whatever it is and 299 00:14:05,670 --> 00:14:03,520 they just go to it you know it's it's 300 00:14:08,490 --> 00:14:05,680 also interesting what you bring up Julia 301 00:14:11,370 --> 00:14:08,500 about the idea of this relationship we 302 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:11,380 have with time not being maybe what it 303 00:14:16,530 --> 00:14:14,290 appears to be and of course as you just 304 00:14:18,030 --> 00:14:16,540 referenced science has been telling us 305 00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:18,040 that for the last hundred years 306 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:20,110 that's what Einstein told us and 307 00:14:24,210 --> 00:14:22,330 everyone loves Einstein but everyone 308 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:24,220 just kind of glosses that over because 309 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:25,930 it doesn't fit with our perception 310 00:14:31,170 --> 00:14:29,170 reality now I also think it's 311 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:31,180 interesting that we have some modern-day 312 00:14:35,579 --> 00:14:33,250 research that points in that direction I 313 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:35,589 always like to cite Daryl BEM who was a 314 00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:37,810 dr. Daryl BEM former guest on this show 315 00:14:42,780 --> 00:14:40,240 who did this interesting research that 316 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:42,790 kind of blew up on the modern media and 317 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:44,890 pointed out that he had students who 318 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:47,490 were studying for a vocabulary test 319 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:51,010 after they took the test and showed 320 00:14:54,900 --> 00:14:53,050 improvement by doing that so it's kind 321 00:14:58,170 --> 00:14:54,910 of turns this whole idea of time on its 322 00:14:58,950 --> 00:14:58,180 head which maybe there's some reality to 323 00:15:01,710 --> 00:14:58,960 that now 324 00:15:05,510 --> 00:15:01,720 you do that as well in your book in 325 00:15:08,430 --> 00:15:05,520 talking about simultaneous incarnations 326 00:15:10,590 --> 00:15:08,440 perhaps perhaps you want to tie that 327 00:15:13,370 --> 00:15:10,600 together and first tell people what you 328 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:13,380 mean by that and how you've come to 329 00:15:19,230 --> 00:15:15,490 understand that as being some kind of 330 00:15:22,740 --> 00:15:19,240 reality well I've come to understanding 331 00:15:24,270 --> 00:15:22,750 it by because I am an academic I look at 332 00:15:26,490 --> 00:15:24,280 material as presented either as 333 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:26,500 published or in my own professional 334 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:29,170 experience and try to make sense out of 335 00:15:33,570 --> 00:15:31,450 it and in somewhat of an objective way 336 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:33,580 what is this material telling me and 337 00:15:38,700 --> 00:15:36,450 what you see time and time again is that 338 00:15:42,750 --> 00:15:38,710 if you're working with after-death 339 00:15:45,750 --> 00:15:42,760 communication is that people when they 340 00:15:49,020 --> 00:15:45,760 die have an afterlife no part of their 341 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:49,030 personality dies nor do they leave the 342 00:15:53,490 --> 00:15:51,010 afterlife to come back into another 343 00:15:55,650 --> 00:15:53,500 incarnation this is a hard thing for 344 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:55,660 people to accept because we put 345 00:16:01,650 --> 00:15:57,250 incarnation and the spiritual evolution 346 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:01,660 model and as a cause-and-effect and a 347 00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:05,530 time bound phenomenon it's not really 348 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:08,910 what happens what happens is you have 349 00:16:15,630 --> 00:16:11,410 people who are alive and people who are 350 00:16:18,270 --> 00:16:15,640 dead coexist so your incarnations 351 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:18,280 coexist all of your incarnations coexist 352 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:22,510 with you now and in fact in alive adding 353 00:16:26,940 --> 00:16:24,490 death States if you eliminate time you 354 00:16:30,510 --> 00:16:26,950 can see this and in fact you can have 355 00:16:33,570 --> 00:16:30,520 incarnations who are embodied now who 356 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:33,580 are contemporary to you and just in the 357 00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:35,410 same way that you can have several 358 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:38,560 incarnations in one body its 359 00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:41,170 consciousness is extremely elastic how 360 00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:43,480 have you experienced this as a medium 361 00:16:49,890 --> 00:16:46,000 how have you encountered this with 362 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:49,900 people you've worked with yes not only 363 00:16:55,140 --> 00:16:52,570 not only that I mean I I know one 364 00:16:58,530 --> 00:16:55,150 extraordinarily strong incarnation of me 365 00:17:00,810 --> 00:16:58,540 who exists now for instance I she came 366 00:17:02,610 --> 00:17:00,820 to me for past life readings and I was 367 00:17:05,190 --> 00:17:02,620 unable to do them because every single 368 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:05,200 past life I tried to I uncovered in the 369 00:17:11,689 --> 00:17:08,170 reading was my own we also have the same 370 00:17:14,539 --> 00:17:11,699 future memory of a future incarnation 371 00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:14,549 bernhard very specifically we met him 20 372 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:19,439 years apart so I fully accept that she 373 00:17:24,649 --> 00:17:22,289 is and I am we are incarnations of each 374 00:17:27,399 --> 00:17:24,659 other that we split up in more than one 375 00:17:32,259 --> 00:17:27,409 body that's not a problem I've also had 376 00:17:35,810 --> 00:17:32,269 after death communication with a person 377 00:17:38,210 --> 00:17:35,820 who isn't an afterlife from the 378 00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:38,220 Victorian era and in the afterlife from 379 00:17:44,299 --> 00:17:41,820 the present era who came through in 380 00:17:46,940 --> 00:17:44,309 different after death communications and 381 00:17:49,159 --> 00:17:46,950 one was entirely different in the way he 382 00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:49,169 communicated but it was the same person 383 00:17:53,930 --> 00:17:51,600 in other words from the same soul group 384 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:53,940 were the same / soul or however you want 385 00:18:00,590 --> 00:17:56,490 to call command headquarters in terms of 386 00:18:03,289 --> 00:18:00,600 how incarnations work the other is that 387 00:18:06,830 --> 00:18:03,299 for me following people into the 388 00:18:08,419 --> 00:18:06,840 afterlife sometimes they present me with 389 00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:08,429 their other incarnations that they've 390 00:18:13,570 --> 00:18:10,799 met up with it's a matter of inclusivity 391 00:18:16,220 --> 00:18:13,580 it's what happened is that you 392 00:18:17,919 --> 00:18:16,230 incorporate more and more of your own 393 00:18:20,029 --> 00:18:17,929 immediate experience through your 394 00:18:22,450 --> 00:18:20,039 incarnations and then it gets even 395 00:18:25,399 --> 00:18:22,460 broader you just keep incorporating 396 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:25,409 experience and knowledge and what people 397 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:27,690 call learning a word I don't like when 398 00:18:33,580 --> 00:18:29,610 it's applied to the afterlife 399 00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:33,590 but it's a process of expansion of 400 00:18:39,860 --> 00:18:36,480 expanding your awareness and it's also a 401 00:18:41,930 --> 00:18:39,870 creative process so that what happened 402 00:18:43,370 --> 00:18:41,940 in the afterlife is it's not that you 403 00:18:45,889 --> 00:18:43,380 meet all of your incarnations 404 00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:45,899 necessarily but you can meet whichever 405 00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:49,110 ones you want now also I've worked as a 406 00:18:54,500 --> 00:18:51,840 past life therapist now since I think 407 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:54,510 it's 1985 when I was certified and you 408 00:18:59,120 --> 00:18:56,250 see a lot of strange stuff going on 409 00:19:02,360 --> 00:18:59,130 there too it's just very very possible 410 00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:02,370 to call in a future life for instance 411 00:19:08,060 --> 00:19:06,000 who is alive as we fit so all of these 412 00:19:10,940 --> 00:19:08,070 things are happening in simultaneous 413 00:19:12,169 --> 00:19:10,950 time in non-local reality the meaning of 414 00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:12,179 that being there's no place where 415 00:19:16,759 --> 00:19:14,940 there's no time so in these non local 416 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:16,769 realities it's like it's like a radio 417 00:19:23,299 --> 00:19:20,490 that receives or can receive is capable 418 00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:23,309 of receiving broadcast from everywhere 419 00:19:28,909 --> 00:19:25,260 but you only tuned into one at a time 420 00:19:31,159 --> 00:19:28,919 and yet we are capable of sidestepping 421 00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:31,169 that just to meet adjacent realities and 422 00:19:39,049 --> 00:19:36,240 seeing contemporary future and past life 423 00:19:42,770 --> 00:19:39,059 personalities in the after death State 424 00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:42,780 as well as in in the physical to make 425 00:19:48,110 --> 00:19:44,400 contact with them although this is 426 00:19:50,810 --> 00:19:48,120 possible possible great I'm open I want 427 00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:50,820 to hear it all but I'm still left you 428 00:19:55,039 --> 00:19:51,120 know 429 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:55,049 grasping with what do I do with this I 430 00:20:01,070 --> 00:19:58,290 mean you you paint a picture of all of 431 00:20:03,230 --> 00:20:01,080 this being explainable accessible 432 00:20:06,380 --> 00:20:03,240 digestible here it is here's how it 433 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:06,390 works but will we ever really know that 434 00:20:12,140 --> 00:20:09,210 do we ever experience that on a personal 435 00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:12,150 level are we meant to experience that 436 00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:15,360 are we meant to know or is our human 437 00:20:22,580 --> 00:20:19,110 condition somewhat meant to be keeping 438 00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:22,590 us in doubt and mystery in wonder are we 439 00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:25,740 supposed to mean you to do that when we 440 00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:27,929 say we are are we meant who's 441 00:20:32,180 --> 00:20:29,910 determining what we're meant to do and 442 00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,190 what not that's a good question you talk 443 00:20:37,549 --> 00:20:34,559 a little bit you talk in the book about 444 00:20:39,980 --> 00:20:37,559 God you talk about God from a cultural 445 00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:39,990 perspective of what other people have 446 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:42,480 thought about God and you also talk 447 00:20:47,570 --> 00:20:44,450 about it from a personal perspective in 448 00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:47,580 your idea of a very very big big tent 449 00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,559 big big cloud God but did talk about 450 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:54,000 that for a minute 451 00:20:58,130 --> 00:20:55,650 and I love in the book when you talk 452 00:21:01,640 --> 00:20:58,140 about for example a Viking living in the 453 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:01,650 ninth century and their idea of the 454 00:21:07,610 --> 00:21:05,130 afterlife and their idea of the moral 455 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:07,620 imperative if you will what God wants 456 00:21:15,950 --> 00:21:11,610 him to do versus what we think God wants 457 00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:15,960 us to do well I I don't I don't imagine 458 00:21:24,340 --> 00:21:18,870 God wanting us to do anything yeah we 459 00:21:28,310 --> 00:21:24,350 are contained within this universal 460 00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:28,320 divinity created by it and co-creating 461 00:21:33,980 --> 00:21:30,900 within it and there are no real 462 00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:33,990 directives we are not being directed by 463 00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,380 anyone there's a certain overall mass 464 00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:38,880 consciousness of 465 00:21:45,050 --> 00:21:42,960 of humans in the body and these mass 466 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:45,060 consciousness of course they change from 467 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:46,530 culture to culture and from time and 468 00:21:51,380 --> 00:21:49,650 place but and therefore you have 469 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:51,390 different constructions of an afterlife 470 00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,530 and when a person dies they bring their 471 00:21:59,360 --> 00:21:57,120 cultural bank with them so they 472 00:22:01,880 --> 00:21:59,370 reconstruct a Valhalla for instance if 473 00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,890 that's what they deeply believe in and 474 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:04,080 that's what fulfills them and then 475 00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:06,690 probably get past that soon enough but 476 00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:08,340 my my reason for bringing up these 477 00:22:13,550 --> 00:22:11,760 Vikings was a model right now of the 478 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:13,560 afterlife there's a learning ground in 479 00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:15,450 which you attend classes and they're 480 00:22:19,670 --> 00:22:18,000 told when you could reincarnate or move 481 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:19,680 up the evolutionary ladder group 482 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:22,290 services yeah yeah the group therapy 483 00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:25,290 model is just a disaster and more and 484 00:22:30,250 --> 00:22:27,030 more people in New Age communities are 485 00:22:33,140 --> 00:22:30,260 are investing in that and this is to me 486 00:22:35,390 --> 00:22:33,150 antithetical to the whole spirit of the 487 00:22:37,550 --> 00:22:35,400 freedom and the impossible levels of 488 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:37,560 creativity that go on when we're out of 489 00:22:44,420 --> 00:22:40,050 body now getting back to this idea of 490 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:44,430 limitations yes we have Kings consented 491 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:47,730 or wanted chosen to have experiences 492 00:22:52,940 --> 00:22:50,730 that have a lot of limitations but also 493 00:22:55,700 --> 00:22:52,950 has some great pleasures a pleasure oh 494 00:22:57,770 --> 00:22:55,710 and printing of an oven of a toddler 495 00:23:00,740 --> 00:22:57,780 lying on the floor with his tongue 496 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:00,750 wrapped around a table leg you know that 497 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:02,490 kind of exploration with it was his 498 00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:04,890 tongue or her tongue how deeply 499 00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:07,140 satisfying that is now meaningful that 500 00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:09,900 can be to an infant feeding back that's 501 00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,900 what the physical reality is about we 502 00:23:16,940 --> 00:23:14,400 should be a little bit more playful and 503 00:23:20,060 --> 00:23:16,950 not worry so much about whether or not 504 00:23:24,290 --> 00:23:20,070 we're spiritual or we are we're 505 00:23:26,690 --> 00:23:24,300 inherently that that can't go away and 506 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:26,700 relax a little bit you focus on a 507 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:30,690 material life is way over the top the 508 00:23:37,180 --> 00:23:33,410 what I call ego function where we only 509 00:23:39,530 --> 00:23:37,190 operate within our physical senses 510 00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:39,540 reality painted by our physical senses 511 00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:41,700 that is over-the-top and does need to be 512 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:45,360 loosened up but we've got literally all 513 00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:47,610 the time in the world to accomplish all 514 00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:50,760 of this I have to say I think one of the 515 00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:52,860 reasons why people do 516 00:23:58,010 --> 00:23:56,400 maybe move towards this learning model 517 00:23:59,539 --> 00:23:58,020 that you don't like and I don't 518 00:24:02,299 --> 00:23:59,549 particularly like either or the growing 519 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:02,309 model the group therapy model and in 520 00:24:07,970 --> 00:24:05,490 particular the moral the God having a 521 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:07,980 moral imperative having a direction for 522 00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:10,890 us to go is that we do get that 523 00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,460 information back pretty regularly and 524 00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:17,039 consistently from for example the 525 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:19,860 near-death experience science research 526 00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,010 that we have and by our normal measures 527 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:25,440 of science it looks pretty solid I mean 528 00:24:33,049 --> 00:24:29,010 it's cross culturally consistent and 529 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:33,059 there is this loving being or if it's 530 00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,010 not a being this loving sense of 531 00:24:39,889 --> 00:24:37,200 connectedness there is this sense of 532 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:39,899 life review there is this sense of good 533 00:24:43,370 --> 00:24:41,730 and bad you know you did good here you 534 00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:43,380 didn't do good there you didn't expand 535 00:24:49,639 --> 00:24:46,350 love I mean are you saying that maybe 536 00:24:51,860 --> 00:24:49,649 that is also culture bound and why would 537 00:24:54,740 --> 00:24:51,870 you say that well I think the way that 538 00:24:57,740 --> 00:24:54,750 you described it is actually not that 539 00:24:59,960 --> 00:24:57,750 accurate but I'm sorry to say first of 540 00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,970 all the life of you does not think it 541 00:25:05,180 --> 00:25:01,919 always happened and it happens more 542 00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:05,190 culturally when people die die when 543 00:25:09,470 --> 00:25:07,080 they're permanently dead there's rarely 544 00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:09,480 a life review they have we have eons to 545 00:25:15,860 --> 00:25:12,480 do that so yes there's a kind of 546 00:25:18,620 --> 00:25:15,870 manifestation of the divine a kind of a 547 00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:18,630 luminous fluid that we can actually 548 00:25:22,250 --> 00:25:20,460 access lower in the body and you'll have 549 00:25:25,789 --> 00:25:22,260 to wait till you're dead to feel 550 00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:25,799 immortality not that's true but in terms 551 00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:29,880 of a God or the being of light being a 552 00:25:36,919 --> 00:25:32,580 God I think only some people have come 553 00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:36,929 to that conclusion I would never agree 554 00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:38,760 that the being of light is God but a 555 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:41,820 manifestation of perhaps your own super 556 00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:45,210 consciousness and then the idea that 557 00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,039 there's a good in bad no I don't see 558 00:25:52,340 --> 00:25:48,960 that at all in the material of 559 00:25:54,409 --> 00:25:52,350 near-death studies I see more that the 560 00:25:56,570 --> 00:25:54,419 whole of the law is self realization and 561 00:26:00,740 --> 00:25:56,580 once you get to that point of self 562 00:26:02,539 --> 00:26:00,750 realization self self realization we're 563 00:26:04,010 --> 00:26:02,549 good and bad or moral systems or 564 00:26:06,380 --> 00:26:04,020 whatever you make your own change 565 00:26:08,270 --> 00:26:06,390 choices about how you're going to change 566 00:26:10,370 --> 00:26:08,280 you know it's interesting you should 567 00:26:14,090 --> 00:26:10,380 bring that up and I think this topic of 568 00:26:15,860 --> 00:26:14,100 good and bad evil demonic all that stuff 569 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:15,870 is something that is of great interest 570 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:18,090 to me because I think we have to process 571 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:20,370 that as part of this whole discussion 572 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:22,290 and if you process it the way that you 573 00:26:27,020 --> 00:26:24,690 do fine if you process it another way 574 00:26:29,060 --> 00:26:27,030 fine just bring your data points bring 575 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:29,070 your evidence and let's hash it out one 576 00:26:32,980 --> 00:26:31,050 of the guests we had on a while back is 577 00:26:35,540 --> 00:26:32,990 a woman named Nancy Evans Bush she was a 578 00:26:37,550 --> 00:26:35,550 longtime near-death experience 579 00:26:39,970 --> 00:26:37,560 researcher and she was on to talk about 580 00:26:42,740 --> 00:26:39,980 her book distressing near-death 581 00:26:45,020 --> 00:26:42,750 experiences and how she encountered 582 00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,030 rather surprisingly because she had kind 583 00:26:49,970 --> 00:26:47,840 of out of the blue a very negative 584 00:26:52,340 --> 00:26:49,980 encounter with negative entities 585 00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:52,350 negative spirit beings whatever during 586 00:26:56,030 --> 00:26:54,840 her near-death experience and if you 587 00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:56,040 talk to near-death experience 588 00:27:00,460 --> 00:26:58,260 researchers a lot of them will tell you 589 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:00,470 hey this is out there and a lot of 590 00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:02,850 paranormal researchers in general will 591 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:05,430 say this is out there these negative 592 00:27:09,620 --> 00:27:08,250 spirits negative entities that we can 593 00:27:12,580 --> 00:27:09,630 encounter what do you make of that 594 00:27:14,780 --> 00:27:12,590 well these are not core personality 595 00:27:17,810 --> 00:27:14,790 negative entities 596 00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:17,820 these are assault forms and there is a 597 00:27:21,910 --> 00:27:19,740 difference between a near-death 598 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:21,920 experience and permanent deaths 599 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:24,450 impermanent deaths you can't fall into 600 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:26,610 solution Asians you can't have bad 601 00:27:32,210 --> 00:27:29,490 encounters it depends on the mindset in 602 00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:32,220 which you've died so all of those things 603 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:34,500 can exist but they are things that are 604 00:27:40,750 --> 00:27:37,290 byproducts of the human mind they are 605 00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:40,760 not inherently real in themselves 606 00:27:46,990 --> 00:27:42,840 near-death experiences you might have 607 00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:47,000 noticed have an enormous range of 608 00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:50,820 atmospheres and locales these are things 609 00:27:56,420 --> 00:27:53,910 are tailor-made by the person who's 610 00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:56,430 having the near-death experience not 611 00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:58,410 otherwise they're not going to a place 612 00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:02,000 in which there are demons or angels 613 00:28:07,460 --> 00:28:04,860 they're going into a non-physical 614 00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,470 reality that is not yet in the afterlife 615 00:28:12,590 --> 00:28:09,840 there are always these borders and they 616 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:12,600 can't cross them and you can have all 617 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:14,970 kinds of experiences in those places I 618 00:28:19,550 --> 00:28:17,010 work with people who after they've died 619 00:28:21,530 --> 00:28:19,560 I've had a lot of trouble 620 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:21,540 or the were in denial about death or 621 00:28:25,550 --> 00:28:23,730 whatever and they see some of this stuff 622 00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:25,560 happening but you can clear it up in a 623 00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,320 matter of minutes with them and so you 624 00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:32,880 know I've worked a long long time in 625 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:35,220 this field I've done exorcisms I have 626 00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:40,170 never seen any evidence for evil I've 627 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:41,910 only seen evidence for the belief in 628 00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:44,730 evil I have I have done exorcisms on 629 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:46,380 houses I've worked with people who are 630 00:28:51,380 --> 00:28:48,690 picked up and slammed against walls bed 631 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:51,390 rising all this kind of stuff and at the 632 00:28:55,850 --> 00:28:53,130 absolute base of it all is really 633 00:28:58,580 --> 00:28:55,860 conflict not evil human conflict which 634 00:29:00,200 --> 00:28:58,590 is also what calls poultry nice what do 635 00:29:02,450 --> 00:29:00,210 you mean by that because I have to say 636 00:29:05,030 --> 00:29:02,460 before I ask you what you mean by that 637 00:29:07,820 --> 00:29:05,040 ah this is a fascinating topic because 638 00:29:10,490 --> 00:29:07,830 I've talked to so many people and I've 639 00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:10,500 heard what you've just said before 640 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:14,240 several times from very highly respected 641 00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,050 out-of-body experience or paranormal 642 00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,360 experiences mystics if you will but I've 643 00:29:25,340 --> 00:29:23,520 also heard the opposite you know I had 644 00:29:28,550 --> 00:29:25,350 on a woman named Marilyn Hughes who 645 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:28,560 actually joined me for an experiment and 646 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:31,370 on air mediumistic experiment we did 647 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:36,570 where I was the proxy and we found this 648 00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:38,970 woman in Austin Texas who had lost her 649 00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:41,910 daughter to suicide a teenage daughter 650 00:29:47,390 --> 00:29:44,220 and this reading was really quite 651 00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:47,400 amazing and was very very healing to the 652 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:49,380 mother and I have to say as being the 653 00:29:55,340 --> 00:29:52,650 proxy the intermediary who was trying to 654 00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,350 not pass any information before I think 655 00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,600 the reading was highly evidential so 656 00:30:01,280 --> 00:29:59,760 something was going on there but where 657 00:30:03,340 --> 00:30:01,290 it really gets interesting and where it 658 00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:03,350 contradicts what you're saying is 659 00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:05,820 Maryland's understanding of what she 660 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:09,750 does is travel into these other realms 661 00:30:15,050 --> 00:30:13,050 the same kind of extended consciousness 662 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:15,060 realms that you're talking about but she 663 00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:17,610 has a very different idea of the the 664 00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:20,580 dark evil forces and that sometimes 665 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:23,790 people wind up in places where they 666 00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:26,250 don't know how to get out of and that 667 00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:29,340 she sees this more as an evolutionary 668 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:32,220 learning kind of thing of getting out of 669 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:32,890 that and go 670 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:36,250 to the light now tell us once more you 671 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:40,450 know what why do we want to look at it 672 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:42,490 from your perspective or how is this 673 00:30:46,530 --> 00:30:44,770 person getting and so many other people 674 00:30:49,530 --> 00:30:46,540 like her are getting this other 675 00:30:51,210 --> 00:30:49,540 perception from it how do we how do we 676 00:30:53,490 --> 00:30:51,220 as someone who doesn't have a psychic 677 00:30:57,210 --> 00:30:53,500 experience how do we figure out who's 678 00:31:01,410 --> 00:30:57,220 telling it like it is well you know it's 679 00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:01,420 it is an interpretive thing what I this 680 00:31:07,050 --> 00:31:04,870 idea of there being lower realms this is 681 00:31:10,890 --> 00:31:07,060 all very very old-fashioned stuff and 682 00:31:12,690 --> 00:31:10,900 the invention of an overarching evil is 683 00:31:15,330 --> 00:31:12,700 something that's quite news 5th century 684 00:31:17,790 --> 00:31:15,340 BC it was not known before then it 685 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:17,800 started developing Iran and ancient 686 00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:20,650 Judaism so there was never really this 687 00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:23,440 kind of opposite of good and evil going 688 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:27,520 on until until then so you have to look 689 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:29,530 at that from an historical point of view 690 00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:33,810 as an invention in many ways the the 691 00:31:38,550 --> 00:31:36,190 universal creativity thing is a little 692 00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:38,560 bit neutral with a tendency towards the 693 00:31:44,910 --> 00:31:41,950 benign that's the statement I can't 694 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:44,920 support with data but what I can say is 695 00:31:49,020 --> 00:31:46,450 that from my own experience where I 696 00:31:50,550 --> 00:31:49,030 should be experiencing what this woman 697 00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:50,560 experienced my interpretation would be 698 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:53,470 entirely different I would understand it 699 00:31:58,050 --> 00:31:55,570 more as a psychological process the 700 00:31:59,910 --> 00:31:58,060 person needs to go through I have really 701 00:32:02,100 --> 00:31:59,920 done a lot of rescue work in these 702 00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,110 situations of a person who has 703 00:32:07,140 --> 00:32:04,480 hallucinating a help and can't get out 704 00:32:10,740 --> 00:32:07,150 of it it's a purely hallucination based 705 00:32:14,010 --> 00:32:10,750 on his own ideas about the afterlife and 706 00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:14,020 his own ideas of what he deserves and he 707 00:32:19,290 --> 00:32:16,960 had to be sprung and his dead brother 708 00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:19,300 his dead son came to me and asked me to 709 00:32:23,700 --> 00:32:21,340 help him with it and son didn't want to 710 00:32:26,130 --> 00:32:23,710 have any contact and I did it was really 711 00:32:28,890 --> 00:32:26,140 a rather simple matter but I have worked 712 00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:28,900 with suicides who died for instance from 713 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:31,180 drug overdoses actually the so-called 714 00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:33,730 accidental suicide and they can also be 715 00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:36,550 in a lot of hallucinatory situations 716 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:38,350 that some many of which are not so 717 00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:41,530 pleasant but these are these are the 718 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:43,510 afterlife it's not about realms it's 719 00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:44,050 about 720 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:49,240 work you know you hear all the stuff 721 00:32:53,550 --> 00:32:51,490 about earthbound spirits and you know 722 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:53,560 riding on people and forcing them to 723 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:55,570 commit murder and all this kind of stuff 724 00:33:00,240 --> 00:32:57,850 and then he's same authorities who write 725 00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,250 so strongly about all this who so 726 00:33:08,250 --> 00:33:02,080 convinced that there's this whole 727 00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:08,260 underground world of demented souls are 728 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:10,540 people who are also supporting how much 729 00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:13,450 better life is than death is because 730 00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,550 they always those want to come back the 731 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:17,440 second thing that it just amuses me to 732 00:33:21,930 --> 00:33:19,570 know and actually it angers me really is 733 00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:21,940 that these same people all they have to 734 00:33:25,470 --> 00:33:24,190 do is to get the attention to that soul 735 00:33:27,090 --> 00:33:25,480 and tell them that they're really dead 736 00:33:29,940 --> 00:33:27,100 and then all of their murderous 737 00:33:32,370 --> 00:33:29,950 tendencies and their hold on humanity 738 00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:32,380 and other human souls where they suck 739 00:33:36,510 --> 00:33:33,910 the human soul into these horrible 740 00:33:38,340 --> 00:33:36,520 realms disappears just on the words of 741 00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:38,350 these authorities now come on 742 00:33:42,510 --> 00:33:40,480 these things are thought forms they're 743 00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:42,520 generated by our own consciousness 744 00:33:47,820 --> 00:33:44,920 whether we're alive or dead and they can 745 00:33:50,010 --> 00:33:47,830 be quite powerful but that doesn't mean 746 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:50,020 that they're anythink or that there's a 747 00:33:54,390 --> 00:33:52,210 core evil that I don't I could never 748 00:33:57,330 --> 00:33:54,400 agree to and it's certainly within my 749 00:33:59,040 --> 00:33:57,340 almost four decades of experience cannot 750 00:34:00,570 --> 00:33:59,050 say I have ever encountered 751 00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:00,580 and I have encountered things that are 752 00:34:05,790 --> 00:34:03,310 standard that look demonic and actually 753 00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,800 when I worked with them they were kind 754 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:07,840 of cute but they were scaring the hell 755 00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:09,130 out of the people they were living with 756 00:34:16,290 --> 00:34:13,020 dr. Santa you have a fascinatingly 757 00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:16,300 refreshing perspective on talking to the 758 00:34:22,169 --> 00:34:19,300 dead and you start out by pointing out 759 00:34:25,050 --> 00:34:22,179 that almost every study or survey we've 760 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:25,060 looked at suggests that almost everybody 761 00:34:28,740 --> 00:34:25,690 does it 762 00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:28,750 grieving spouses do it grieving parents 763 00:34:32,970 --> 00:34:31,060 certainly do it even most of us who are 764 00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,980 not grieving do it as you point out in 765 00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:34,720 the book I loved even skeptics and 766 00:34:39,659 --> 00:34:37,780 atheists do it but yeah what's going on 767 00:34:42,990 --> 00:34:39,669 here how can we kind of bring that out 768 00:34:44,130 --> 00:34:43,000 into the into our general awareness that 769 00:34:46,890 --> 00:34:44,140 hey this is something we're already 770 00:34:49,860 --> 00:34:46,900 doing and then let's talk about how we 771 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:49,870 can do it better well that's the first 772 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:51,730 thing you had it you hit the nail on the 773 00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:53,890 head to recognize that we're doing it 774 00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:55,750 let's be really the first thing because 775 00:35:00,330 --> 00:34:57,310 most of us think 776 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:00,340 to fantasy or imagination wishful 777 00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:02,650 thinking but truthfully wishful thinking 778 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:04,900 will not clear up post-traumatic stress 779 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:07,210 disorder but real communication with the 780 00:35:11,340 --> 00:35:09,010 dead can and it can do it in one session 781 00:35:15,450 --> 00:35:11,350 even post traumatic stress disorder that 782 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:15,460 goes on for for a full generation after 783 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:18,490 this a wartime so with intrusive 784 00:35:22,830 --> 00:35:20,770 memories suicide longing and nighttime 785 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:22,840 sweats and the whole business to get 786 00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:25,090 cleared up with one session for the 787 00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:28,960 pertinent decease so we can we can't say 788 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:32,040 that this is fantasy or wishful thinking 789 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:35,890 it's certainly very instrumental in in 790 00:35:40,350 --> 00:35:38,650 the deathbed scene and one area where 791 00:35:43,410 --> 00:35:40,360 we're making a lot of progress is the 792 00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:43,420 acceptance of hospice nurses or hospice 793 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:45,460 personnel that the deceased 794 00:35:50,070 --> 00:35:48,250 do come for the dying and more and more 795 00:35:54,690 --> 00:35:50,080 hospice personnel and paramedics are 796 00:35:57,630 --> 00:35:54,700 beginning to experience these disease to 797 00:36:01,140 --> 00:35:57,640 to see them they also are beginning to 798 00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,150 recognize the person who has just died 799 00:36:04,890 --> 00:36:02,800 comes back to thank them where they can 800 00:36:06,810 --> 00:36:04,900 still feel their energy and more and 801 00:36:08,610 --> 00:36:06,820 more having shared death experiences 802 00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,620 including doctors and which they 803 00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:10,720 actually watch the energy water you 804 00:36:15,390 --> 00:36:13,540 leave the physical body upon death so we 805 00:36:18,030 --> 00:36:15,400 are getting there and once it it's a 806 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:18,040 medical field as it's doing now it'll 807 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:21,010 trickle through into the popular pot the 808 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:24,010 popular sector which is already through 809 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:26,410 the news and entertainment industry 810 00:36:29,460 --> 00:36:28,810 already going in that direction at full 811 00:36:31,980 --> 00:36:29,470 speed 812 00:36:34,110 --> 00:36:31,990 partly trains through the internet yeah 813 00:36:37,950 --> 00:36:34,120 you know at a chatroom and after death 814 00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,960 communication or are so analogous so the 815 00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:39,520 first thing is to recognize how much 816 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:41,350 we're doing it and the second thing is 817 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:43,690 to when you suspect it's happening to 818 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:46,650 maximize it and that really is about 819 00:36:52,740 --> 00:36:50,050 giving your full attention to whatever 820 00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,750 presence Europe's experiencing that 821 00:36:57,210 --> 00:36:54,160 could be something that's just a mental 822 00:36:59,480 --> 00:36:57,220 intrusion or storm going on you're all 823 00:37:02,460 --> 00:36:59,490 in your head it has something to do with 824 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:02,470 someone you know who's died the lyrics 825 00:37:06,210 --> 00:37:03,850 may be telling me something or the 826 00:37:09,630 --> 00:37:06,220 psalmist is so strongly associated with 827 00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:09,640 a deceased one of the main ways that 828 00:37:13,450 --> 00:37:10,910 people 829 00:37:15,819 --> 00:37:13,460 experience the real presence is where 830 00:37:18,220 --> 00:37:15,829 this kind of body tingling similar to 831 00:37:20,170 --> 00:37:18,230 the feeling of inspiration was through 832 00:37:22,210 --> 00:37:20,180 the delicious chill goes down your back 833 00:37:24,370 --> 00:37:22,220 and I think inspiration is probably 834 00:37:27,339 --> 00:37:24,380 there is a deceased there very often 835 00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,349 giving it to you so learning to 836 00:37:31,630 --> 00:37:29,839 recognize the signs grief waves can be 837 00:37:34,359 --> 00:37:31,640 another sign of surge of grief and be a 838 00:37:36,609 --> 00:37:34,369 very strong sign I elaborate on all is 839 00:37:39,250 --> 00:37:36,619 explained in the book so it's not a 840 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:39,260 problem if anybody wants to know about 841 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:41,690 fine will be assigned for spontaneous 842 00:37:46,329 --> 00:37:43,930 encounters and how to set up 843 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:46,339 communication on your own I have 844 00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:48,410 chapters on that in the book in the book 845 00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:52,160 you actually have some how-to material 846 00:37:59,079 --> 00:37:55,000 in terms of how to connect more 847 00:38:01,839 --> 00:37:59,089 effectively with the dead how it looks 848 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:01,849 and the various forms in the 849 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:04,970 communication has come in a lot of the 850 00:38:09,220 --> 00:38:07,250 signs that people have you know such as 851 00:38:11,170 --> 00:38:09,230 the problems with the lights or like 852 00:38:13,059 --> 00:38:11,180 blowing out or the phone ringing and 853 00:38:14,829 --> 00:38:13,069 there's no one there I'll have to do 854 00:38:18,490 --> 00:38:14,839 with the deceased trying to get through 855 00:38:20,589 --> 00:38:18,500 to us and they can't once you've made 856 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:20,599 contact although that phenomena will 857 00:38:27,849 --> 00:38:24,130 stop why can't they because we're not 858 00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:27,859 we're not culturally we don't believe in 859 00:38:32,799 --> 00:38:30,710 it or we refuse it you know necromancy 860 00:38:35,260 --> 00:38:32,809 was punishable like pain pain of death 861 00:38:38,289 --> 00:38:35,270 on stoning by stoning we've inherited 862 00:38:41,140 --> 00:38:38,299 this and we was outlawed by the churches 863 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:41,150 and there still has a sinister dark 864 00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:43,970 quality to it that uh you know which 865 00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:46,569 which has been maximized by by the 866 00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,520 entertainment industry as a dangerous 867 00:38:53,260 --> 00:38:51,200 thing you hear this all the time about 868 00:38:56,109 --> 00:38:53,270 how dangerous it is if you look at the 869 00:38:58,930 --> 00:38:56,119 actual records it's never dangerous the 870 00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:58,940 thousands the hundreds and thousands of 871 00:39:05,230 --> 00:39:02,000 published records there are people who 872 00:39:07,150 --> 00:39:05,240 work with it as a interest after death 873 00:39:10,510 --> 00:39:07,160 communication therapist or whatever it 874 00:39:12,130 --> 00:39:10,520 is there's no record of real harm ever 875 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:12,140 being done it's always well intentioned 876 00:39:18,579 --> 00:39:15,970 but we have these ideas that it is maybe 877 00:39:20,529 --> 00:39:18,589 talking to the dead even that sounds 878 00:39:23,859 --> 00:39:20,539 horrible but you're going to be pulled 879 00:39:24,270 --> 00:39:23,869 over into that dark realm so we have we 880 00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:24,280 have 881 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:27,460 bad cultural attitudes and again these 882 00:39:31,380 --> 00:39:29,050 attitudes are in conflict with the 883 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:31,390 actual experience of meeting Uncle Harry 884 00:39:38,700 --> 00:39:36,490 in bathed in light and the sense of your 885 00:39:40,740 --> 00:39:38,710 body changes when this happens when you 886 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:40,750 have full after deaf communication 887 00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:44,170 there's something that that transfigures 888 00:39:49,830 --> 00:39:47,200 in the electromagnetic field so what 889 00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:49,840 should we do then I mean to what lengths 890 00:39:55,490 --> 00:39:52,510 should we go to make these connections 891 00:40:03,450 --> 00:39:55,500 what about psychedelics what about 892 00:40:05,790 --> 00:40:03,460 shamanic rituals I mean so much simpler 893 00:40:07,530 --> 00:40:05,800 than all of that you don't have to rig 894 00:40:11,460 --> 00:40:07,540 anything up really all you need is 895 00:40:14,490 --> 00:40:11,470 genuine desire that's the first thing 896 00:40:16,590 --> 00:40:14,500 it's not about curiosities you know it's 897 00:40:21,660 --> 00:40:16,600 it's real desire to know how someone is 898 00:40:25,980 --> 00:40:21,670 or to to correct a wrong or 899 00:40:30,090 --> 00:40:25,990 reconciliation or whatever and if you 900 00:40:33,540 --> 00:40:30,100 approach communication with someone you 901 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:33,550 love is departed from your truth to 902 00:40:37,470 --> 00:40:36,610 motion what about the use of mediums 903 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:37,480 psychics 904 00:40:43,620 --> 00:40:40,450 you know that's of course you know 905 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:43,630 wonderful and I I do a lot of that as 906 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:47,010 you know and but my job is when when the 907 00:40:55,140 --> 00:40:52,450 the the deceased appear usually the 908 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:55,150 person who come to see me not usual 909 00:41:00,420 --> 00:40:56,770 always the person comes to see me 910 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:00,430 immediately feels it there usually it's 911 00:41:04,830 --> 00:41:02,290 from tears and the sense of this 912 00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:04,840 tingling and my job is to get them to 913 00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:06,520 have direct communication because it's 914 00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:08,350 more effective and it's something you 915 00:41:13,380 --> 00:41:11,110 can do without a medium a professional 916 00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:13,390 medium there the studies show that 917 00:41:18,810 --> 00:41:15,430 working with the professional medium can 918 00:41:21,300 --> 00:41:18,820 be exhilarating initially but can also 919 00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:21,310 bring a person back into a sense of 920 00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:23,110 devastation and helplessness in grief 921 00:41:27,650 --> 00:41:25,270 and grief and helplessness in this case 922 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:27,660 for almost 923 00:41:33,090 --> 00:41:30,610 equate equate equated with each other 924 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:33,100 here a lot of grief is about 925 00:41:37,590 --> 00:41:35,920 helplessness so my thing is to get each 926 00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:37,600 person to recognize that they already 927 00:41:40,450 --> 00:41:38,240 have 928 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:40,460 skills were all telepathic you can't 929 00:41:45,250 --> 00:41:43,369 have that more clinically proven than it 930 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:45,260 is it's just been proved over and over 931 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:47,810 again in clinical trials with 932 00:41:52,750 --> 00:41:50,450 non-professional every day average guy 933 00:41:53,980 --> 00:41:52,760 off the street having telepathic 934 00:41:57,090 --> 00:41:53,990 abilities we couldn't even have a 935 00:41:58,900 --> 00:41:57,100 culture without telepathy so 936 00:42:01,060 --> 00:41:58,910 understanding that understanding is 937 00:42:04,180 --> 00:42:01,070 there's all the skills you need are 938 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:04,190 inborn proceed from your strongly remote 939 00:42:08,500 --> 00:42:06,170 emotion and make contact there's things 940 00:42:10,030 --> 00:42:08,510 you can do that can enhance the 941 00:42:12,130 --> 00:42:10,040 experience such like creating sacred 942 00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,140 space and I give all those things in 943 00:42:18,070 --> 00:42:15,040 detail in in the book it's quite easy 944 00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:18,080 that's this that's a crazy part and also 945 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:19,520 to recognize how often you're already 946 00:42:24,970 --> 00:42:22,490 doing it prayer is a form of after-death 947 00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:24,980 communication very often when you pray 948 00:42:31,350 --> 00:42:27,920 to someone in the beyond well it's 949 00:42:33,730 --> 00:42:31,360 certainly a well constructed argument 950 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:33,740 fascinating fascinating book for anyone 951 00:42:38,170 --> 00:42:36,050 interested in this topic it's an 952 00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:38,180 absolute must read again the title is 953 00:42:44,410 --> 00:42:41,119 the last frontier exploring the 954 00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:44,420 afterlife and transforming our fear of 955 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:46,609 death that's really what the book is 956 00:42:49,270 --> 00:42:47,090 about 957 00:42:51,130 --> 00:42:49,280 dr. Asante it's been a great pleasure 958 00:42:53,140 --> 00:42:51,140 having you on thanks so much for joining 959 00:42:55,810 --> 00:42:53,150 me it was a pleasure for me too 960 00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:55,820 thank you thanks again to dr. Asante for 961 00:42:59,620 --> 00:42:57,890 joining me today on skeptic oh I have a 962 00:43:01,420 --> 00:42:59,630 couple of questions to tee up for this 963 00:43:03,310 --> 00:43:01,430 interview I have to tell you this is an 964 00:43:04,780 --> 00:43:03,320 interview that's really stuck with me 965 00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:04,790 for quite a while 966 00:43:10,420 --> 00:43:08,000 dr. Asante is as you can tell extremely 967 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:10,430 intelligent well-spoken and very 968 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:13,570 confident about what she's learned about 969 00:43:18,310 --> 00:43:16,970 communicating with departed spirits if 970 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:18,320 you will so here are a couple of 971 00:43:24,190 --> 00:43:20,930 questions I'd throw up one and this is a 972 00:43:27,130 --> 00:43:24,200 big one when we move into this realm of 973 00:43:29,859 --> 00:43:27,140 the non-material and we start talking 974 00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:29,869 about extended consciousness spirit 975 00:43:35,230 --> 00:43:32,480 communication and all the rest how do we 976 00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:35,240 figure out who we should listen to how 977 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:36,710 do we figure out who are the real 978 00:43:40,750 --> 00:43:39,290 experts dr. Asante has done medium 979 00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:40,760 readings with hundreds probably 980 00:43:46,030 --> 00:43:43,369 thousands of people does that make her 981 00:43:48,099 --> 00:43:46,040 an expert on the afterlife dr. Evan 982 00:43:50,540 --> 00:43:48,109 Alexander who we often reference on this 983 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:50,550 show died and went to heaven 984 00:43:54,980 --> 00:43:52,890 that make a man expert you could fill in 985 00:43:55,310 --> 00:43:54,990 any number of guests we've had on this 986 00:43:58,100 --> 00:43:55,320 show 987 00:44:00,860 --> 00:43:58,110 list their qualifications and experience 988 00:44:03,620 --> 00:44:00,870 and ask the same question who do you 989 00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:03,630 trust and why do you trust him so that's 990 00:44:07,970 --> 00:44:06,030 question number one for question number 991 00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:07,980 two I'd push that a little bit further 992 00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:11,040 and ask you to speculate on what you 993 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:14,640 make of medium communication as it fits 994 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:16,890 into this body of knowledge we're 995 00:44:21,890 --> 00:44:19,650 attempting to amass here so we have a 996 00:44:24,890 --> 00:44:21,900 lot of different ways we can quote 997 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:24,900 unquote know about the afterlife about 998 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:27,210 extended consciousness we can have 999 00:44:31,550 --> 00:44:28,890 channeled material out of body 1000 00:44:34,070 --> 00:44:31,560 experience material near death 1001 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:34,080 experience remote viewing all sorts of 1002 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:36,090 different all sorts of different means 1003 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:38,450 of knowing how should we look at 1004 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:41,730 mediumistic experiences like the kind 1005 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:44,130 that doctor Asante has relied on what 1006 00:44:48,260 --> 00:44:46,410 are the pros what are the cons so I'd 1007 00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,270 love to hear your thoughts on that of 1008 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:50,880 course the place to weigh in on these 1009 00:44:55,940 --> 00:44:53,370 questions and share your opinions with 1010 00:45:00,620 --> 00:44:55,950 me and and other listeners is through 1011 00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,630 the skeptic Oh website at SK EPT Iko com 1012 00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:02,640 you can leave a comment right there on 1013 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:04,680 the website or click on over to the 1014 00:45:09,020 --> 00:45:07,410 forum and drop a note there of course 1015 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:09,030 you can also send me a note on Facebook 1016 00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:12,210 or drop me an email try and get to as 1017 00:45:16,610 --> 00:45:14,430 many of those as I can so that's about 1018 00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:16,620 it for this time on skeptic Oh have a 1019 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:18,420 number of interesting shows coming up 1020 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:20,490 and a number of interesting interviews 1021 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:22,770 scheduled so there's plenty more to come